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	<title>Comments on: Cholos, Cholas, Cholo Power, and Cholita Brown</title>
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		<title>By: juan</title>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<description>Hey, very entertaining blog. The blow-by-blow of someone getting to know Arequipa brings back a lot of memories.  I&#039;ve spent quite a bit of time there, probably back early-ish next year, see:
http://bidsta.blogspot.com/search/label/Arequipa
http://bidsta.blogspot.com/search/label/Peru
http://www.andean-observer.com/ (still putting this site together)

Peruvians definitely have a mass of complexes to do with race, ethnicity and class.  As far as I can gather, there&#039;s at least three different senses of cholo/a:
1. people call each other &#039;cholo&#039; in a buddy-pally kind of way,  a bit like huevón/boludo/cabrón in Chile/Argentina/Mexico (or like Colombian girls calling each other &#039;marica&#039;).  Peruvians may sometimes refer to themselves collectively as &#039;cholos&#039; in the way your girlfriend did.
2. But, to describe an individual or group in normal conversation as &#039;cholo[s]&#039; is often interpreted as disparaging, and people can get pretty offended if you use it too loosely (&#039;indio&#039; is worse).  This is because of the underlying  racism and the tendency to look down on ethnic origins, despite the outward recognition that &#039;somos todos cholos&#039;. In a group of Peruvians I know here in NZ, a girl from Ayacucho got really upset at another girl from the coast using &#039;cholo&#039; in what the second girl thought was an inoffensive way.
3. &#039;Cholita&#039; is different again, when used in an affectionate way with a girl.  My arequipeña ex-girlfriend used to like me calling her &#039;mi cholita&#039; -- it being kind of a generic thing, like &#039;gringo&#039; is for us.  It&#039;s also milder to talk about a girl of indigenous appearance as a &#039;cholita&#039;, especially if she&#039;s young and pretty, although again you wouldn&#039;t necessarily say it to her face at first. 
Anyway, as a gringo you get forgiven most things, but there is a lot of sensitivity around this, and (as in the US or anywhere) a lot of it depends on who s saying and what the tone or context is.

look forward to reading more posts.

Simon Bidwell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, very entertaining blog. The blow-by-blow of someone getting to know Arequipa brings back a lot of memories.  I&#8217;ve spent quite a bit of time there, probably back early-ish next year, see:<br />
<a href="http://bidsta.blogspot.com/search/label/Arequipa" rel="nofollow">http://bidsta.blogspot.com/search/label/Arequipa</a><br />
<a href="http://bidsta.blogspot.com/search/label/Peru" rel="nofollow">http://bidsta.blogspot.com/search/label/Peru</a><br />
<a href="http://www.andean-observer.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.andean-observer.com/</a> (still putting this site together)</p>
<p>Peruvians definitely have a mass of complexes to do with race, ethnicity and class.  As far as I can gather, there&#8217;s at least three different senses of cholo/a:<br />
1. people call each other &#8216;cholo&#8217; in a buddy-pally kind of way,  a bit like huevón/boludo/cabrón in Chile/Argentina/Mexico (or like Colombian girls calling each other &#8216;marica&#8217;).  Peruvians may sometimes refer to themselves collectively as &#8216;cholos&#8217; in the way your girlfriend did.<br />
2. But, to describe an individual or group in normal conversation as &#8216;cholo[s]&#8216; is often interpreted as disparaging, and people can get pretty offended if you use it too loosely (&#8216;indio&#8217; is worse).  This is because of the underlying  racism and the tendency to look down on ethnic origins, despite the outward recognition that &#8217;somos todos cholos&#8217;. In a group of Peruvians I know here in NZ, a girl from Ayacucho got really upset at another girl from the coast using &#8216;cholo&#8217; in what the second girl thought was an inoffensive way.<br />
3. &#8216;Cholita&#8217; is different again, when used in an affectionate way with a girl.  My arequipeña ex-girlfriend used to like me calling her &#8216;mi cholita&#8217; &#8212; it being kind of a generic thing, like &#8216;gringo&#8217; is for us.  It&#8217;s also milder to talk about a girl of indigenous appearance as a &#8216;cholita&#8217;, especially if she&#8217;s young and pretty, although again you wouldn&#8217;t necessarily say it to her face at first.<br />
Anyway, as a gringo you get forgiven most things, but there is a lot of sensitivity around this, and (as in the US or anywhere) a lot of it depends on who s saying and what the tone or context is.</p>
<p>look forward to reading more posts.</p>
<p>Simon Bidwell</p>
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